Time Nick Message 12:35 pdurbin mhayden: I just listened to http://major.io/2013/06/19/my-interview-on-the-dave-and-gunnar-show/ ... good stuff 12:36 pdurbin I didn't know RHEL7 was getting a "classic mode" for GNOME 12:37 * pdurbin looks at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8#Classic_mode 12:39 pdurbin there's talk of classic mode here too: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.8/ 13:00 mhayden classic mode isn't bad looking 13:04 pdurbin I'm taking a vacation day. thinking of wiping my fedora 16 laptop and putting 19 beta on it 13:04 pdurbin so maybe I'll be able to check out classic mode 15:22 pdurbin this Fedora 19 beta install has not been without peril 15:23 ben_e are you wearing your Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses? 15:24 pdurbin should be 15:25 pdurbin I just hope it still boots Windows. I use it to watch Netflix 15:29 pdurbin oh good, it does 15:29 pdurbin but now I need a shower 15:37 pdurbin ah. typing this from the newly installed Fedora 19 laptop 16:06 melodie pdurbin let us know how this version goes, within a few days? :) 16:21 pdurbin melodie: so far so good. vagrant works. I'm sure everything else will 16:22 melodie :D 16:22 melodie great 16:22 pdurbin melodie: one weird thing is that my screen is stretched horizontally very wide... not sure why 16:22 pdurbin and I haven't found a way to fix it yet 16:22 larsks What pdurbin doesn't know is that *I'm* typing this from his newly installed Fedora 19 laptop, too. Should have applied those security updates! 16:22 larsks * not really. 16:23 pdurbin heh 16:24 pdurbin ask I was backing up my laptop I found a directory at /root/george 16:24 pdurbin and I was like "who the hell is george?" 16:24 pdurbin but them I remembered I helped my friend george recover some photos years ago 16:24 pdurbin s/ask/as/ 16:30 pdurbin dunno if the wideness is apparent or not, but here's how it looks: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/fMVMdSyq2UP 16:31 melodie pdurbin which desktop manager is it? 16:32 pdurbin gnome 3 16:32 * pdurbin looks at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/FeatureList 16:33 pdurbin gnome 3.8 16:33 melodie what is the graphical card? 16:34 melodie pdurbin do you have the right driver for the card, and what are the choices presented in the console with the command "xrandr" ? 16:37 pdurbin ah, the resolution should be 1366x768, but Displays under Settings is showing 1024x768 as the only option 16:40 melodie pdurbin you might be missing the right driver ? 16:41 melodie can you check in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log which driver is used? 16:53 pdurbin melodie: the solution was to take out the "nomodeset" kernel parameter when booting. everything is back to normal now 16:55 pdurbin a guy in #fedora-qa said it was disabling the intel gfx driver 16:57 pdurbin I'm not sure my exact graphics card but the sales order had "0A59714 SBB 12.5MHDLD BT DLMBR2X2ANT" on it when I ordered this laptop, a ThinkPad X220T (X220 Tablet) 17:07 melodie pdurbin you would know with the command "lspci | grep VGA" or "lspci | grep Video" sometimes 17:08 melodie anyhow a "lspci" will provide a bunch and you can find it there 17:08 melodie usually 17:10 melodie pdurbin I had not seen you found the solution, talking with a visitor at home :) 17:11 pdurbin melodie: yes, but the output is pretty generic: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) 17:13 melodie oh 17:13 pdurbin huh, when I ran `grub2-mkconfig` it changed 'set default="0"' to 'set default="${next_entry}"' ... I'm not sure if that's valid or not. I'm used to seeing "0" 17:14 melodie pdurbin and what is the explanation related to the nomodeset option ? 17:14 melodie I don't know much about grub2 so far, I have kept grub legacy as long as possible in many machines and I still have one 17:15 melodie too much to learn at same time! 17:15 melodie new stuff all around 17:16 pdurbin a guy in #fedora-qa said it was disabling the intel gfx driver 17:17 pdurbin melodie: that was the only explanation 17:17 melodie ah 17:18 pdurbin he says 'set default="${next_entry}"' is valid. must be a grub2 thing 17:24 pdurbin must be. I rebooted just fine 17:25 pdurbin trust but verify :) 17:26 melodie I looked on the web 17:26 melodie nomodeset disables kvm which prevents some graphic drivers to load (or to work? not sure exactly) 17:27 melodie s/kvm/KMS/ 17:28 melodie pdurbin found more here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Nomodeset 17:28 melodie seems very interesting 17:28 pdurbin heh. "They can all draw pretty pictures" 17:30 pdurbin "Specifying 'nomodeset' when the system boots basically tells the system to use an older set of software/drivers which does work (but may be slower or have some other issues that people would like to eliminate)." 17:31 melodie yes 17:31 pdurbin melodie: KMS? 17:31 melodie this is the part I found interesting to know about 17:31 melodie Kernel Mode Setting 17:32 pdurbin ok 17:32 melodie found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_mode-setting 17:32 melodie "Doing mode setting in kernel-space is more flexible and allows displaying of an error in the case of a fatal error in the kernel, even when using a user-space display server. 17:32 melodie User-space mode setting would have needed superuser privileges for direct hardware access, so kernel-based mode setting increases security because the user-space graphics server does not need superuser privileges." 17:33 melodie ah ha ! 17:39 pdurbin hmm. `yum install gnome-classic-session` to try "classic mode" in gnome 3.8 on fedora 19 17:52 pdurbin hmm. interesting. all it does is install these extensions: gnome-shell-extension-alternate-tab gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu gnome-shell-extension-common gnome-shell-extension-launch-new-instance gnome-shell-extension-places-menu gnome-shell-extension-window-list 17:52 pdurbin basically 18:04 larsks pdurbin: re: grub2, which is terrible and pointlessly complex, mattdm has done work such that syslinux is now an option, too. If you boot the installer with "syslinux" on the command line you get that instead of grub2. 18:07 pdurbin huh 18:07 pdurbin all these newfangled thinggs 18:08 pdurbin in my day it was lilo and it mattered where it was installed. first 1024 blocks or something 18:09 larsks lilo is not something I miss :) 18:09 pdurbin :) 18:18 ben_e mattdm is matthew miller? 18:22 larsks ben_e: Yup. 18:23 larsks Former Harvard colleague, now the Fedora cloud architect, trying to make Fedora more useful in cloud environments. 18:26 larsks pdurbin: Actually, that's "extlinux" on the command line. See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption once Matthew finishes updating the page... 18:27 pdurbin ben_e: he's in our logs. surely you've read them ;) 18:37 ben_e i know matt 18:38 ben_e IRL not IRC 18:38 ben_e i didn't know what his handle was 18:38 larsks He is generally mattdm@*. 18:39 ben_e ijstokes and i go out for drinks pretty regularly and matt has come along some times 18:48 pdurbin ben_e: did he find people for his scientific python thing? pydata or whatever? 18:52 * ben_e shrugs 18:52 ben_e i haven't seen him in a bit actually 18:54 pdurbin here it was: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-05-29#i_7128693 18:55 pdurbin what's new is that the schedule is up: PyData 2013 | Boston, MA | July 27 – 28 - http://www.pydata.org/bos2013/schedule/ 18:56 pdurbin hmm, not sure I've heard of any of these people 19:02 ben_e justin riley is on there