Time Nick Message 10:07 pdurbin ironcamel: ok ok, *maybe* I should try zsh: https://plus.google.com/102499719144563443986/posts/J6yGvUNYMRW 10:07 pdurbin ( http://www.slideshare.net/jaguardesignstudio/why-zsh-is-cooler-than-your-shell-16194692 and https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh ) 13:49 run4flat pdurbin, you should check out zoidberg shell 14:14 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky zoidberg shell 14:14 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.drdobbs.com/web-development/zoidberg-a-shell-that-speaks-perl/184416203 14:14 pdurbin run4flat: you're so perl-y :) 14:17 run4flat :-) 14:30 pdurbin the Donald Knuth vs. Doug McIlroy story in the slides is awesome 15:18 jimi_c mhayden: re: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Ubuntu-Strikes-Out-on-Its-Own-Again-78015.html <- the rants in that article are a bunch of BS. I'm certainly no Ubuntu fan (they NEVER send me patches upstream for cobbler), but to complain about companies writing more FOSS (even if it's for its own sake) is dumb 15:18 jimi_c i don't remember people complaining about up2date when urpmi was perfectly fine (even if it was mandrake), and then yum 15:19 jimi_c actually people did complain about yum a lot, but that's because at first it lacked a lot of features up2date had, but it caught up very quickly 15:22 * jimi_c really hates work wireless some days 16:07 sivoais that zsh completion is enough to get me to convert... *installs* NOW 17:39 pdurbin you want a box behind every firewall? that checks in with a mother ship? 18:05 pdurbin we had a setup like that with opsview 18:09 ben_e_ that's what we have now 18:10 ben_e_ nagios before 18:11 pdurbin I wonder if this is any good: The State of Open-Source Monitoring // Speaker Deck - https://speakerdeck.com/obfuscurity/the-state-of-open-source-monitoring 18:11 dotplus I did hear someone say they loved their monitoring-fu recently. I think he was referring to a meganagios setup provided by omdistro.org (especially check_mk) 18:36 JoeJulian http://joejulian.name/blog/setting-up-dogtag-pki-ca-certificate-manager/#comment-897320357 - I hope my reply gets them to package ejbca. It looked much friendlier than dogtag. 19:49 pdurbin thanks to codex we have irclogbot_sc too :) 19:49 melodie oh! 19:50 melodie thank you codex 19:50 melodie pdurbin nothing happened on #wonderstudy, or did you just not "push" new logs to github ? 19:50 melodie I don't know how that works 19:53 codex Url if anyone needs it: http://irclog.spacecompute.com 19:58 pdurbin melodie: correct, the process is manual :( 19:59 * codex -> interested in this log push to github 20:00 pdurbin codex: https://github.com/wonderstudy/irclog 20:00 melodie codex beautiful 20:00 melodie would you add #wonderstudy and #linuxvillage ? 20:01 codex pdurbin: oh that's very easy to automate 20:01 codex melodie: to irclog.spacecompute? 20:01 melodie yes 20:01 melodie it looks nice and easy to search in 20:01 codex sure, one sec 20:03 codex melodie: all set 20:04 codex http://irclog.spacecompute.com/linuxvillage/today & http://irclog.spacecompute.com/wonderstudy/today 20:10 pdurbin codex: yeah, not sure how I want to automate it though 20:11 codex is the goal for archiving or someone is pulling/reading it real time? 20:11 codex idk if github imposes limits, but you COULD push every minute 20:12 pdurbin archiving. once a day is fine 20:12 codex 'We limit requests to 60 per hour for unauthenticated requests. For requests using Basic Authentication or OAuth, we limit requests to 5,000 per hour.' 20:12 codex oh so even easier then 20:12 codex :) 20:12 codex pdurbin: why not just backup the mysql db btw? 20:13 pdurbin I do: https://github.com/pdurbin/data.greptilian.com 20:13 pdurbin but that isn't automated either :( 20:14 codex pdurbin: sounds like you should look at rsnapshots 20:14 * pdurbin hangs head 20:14 codex or just a cron job with a mysqldump + scp/github push 20:17 pdurbin yeah 20:21 melodie codex I send you many thanks! 20:22 codex not a problem at all. I plan on keeping this around for a long time, and I am backing up the mysql repo, so if you need other channels, feel free to ping me 20:22 codex pdurbin: ^ same goes without saying 20:24 pdurbin codex: thanks :) 21:58 pdurbin codex: I guess the thing I worry a bit about is... what if I generate an ssh key pair for my server to push irc logs and mysql dumps to github... and then the private key gets stolen off the server. I guess I could create another github account for this... one that doesn't have access to my normal stuff (which includes work-related stuff) 22:09 semiosis pushing irc logs and mysql dumps to github? that sounds wrong 22:53 pdurbin semiosis: yeah, it's sub-optimal but I need to get that data off my VM... need to get it somewhere off site... 22:54 semiosis S3 22:54 semiosis they pay me to say that 22:54 semiosis hahaha j/k 22:54 pdurbin heh 22:55 pdurbin could do, I guess. one advantage github has is that it's free. I guess I could use Dropbox. could install the Linux client on my server. again, I'd probably want to use some new password with limited access though 22:57 pdurbin at least when I do the manual download of data to my laptop and push to github I'm aware of if it failed or not 22:58 pdurbin but I agree it's dumb 22:59 pdurbin hmm, "Internet Archive's S3 like server API" -- http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt 23:00 agoddard ben_e: sensu ftw 23:09 pdurbin agoddard: I'm not sure why firewalls would be a problem with sensu 23:10 agoddard ya, it wouldn't be a problem 23:13 melodie pdurbin private keys should never be out, but in your possession only 23:13 melodie same as certificates of revocation 23:15 pdurbin melodie: am I allowed to put my private keys on my server in the cloud? :) ... I probably shouldn't... :) 23:27 pdurbin man, the dropbox linux client has a ton of dependencies. 82 packages on my headless VM 23:27 pdurbin and http://box.com doesn't have a linux client. and I don't know about Google Drive 23:27 pdurbin semiosis: does S3 have a linux client? it must 23:29 pdurbin oh yeah, I've heard of this boto thing: https://github.com/boto/boto 23:30 pdurbin yum install python-boto works. it's in epel... 23:31 melodie pdurbin I have a suggest perhaps... perhaps. 23:31 melodie can a private key be displayd as raw text ? I would suppose yes , 23:31 melodie ? 23:32 pdurbin huh, and I can get 5 GB of S3 for free? that's plenty of space... http://aws.amazon.com/free/ 23:33 melodie pdurbin ? about private keys 23:33 melodie can it be pasted ? 23:33 pdurbin melodie: yes, private keys are in plain text 23:33 melodie ok 23:34 melodie then if you want to have it in a safe place you could send it to yourself in a mail... encrypted with gpg :D 23:34 semiosis pdurbin: s3cmd is the popular cli 23:34 melodie which will also of course have a private key that you should not send on the web 23:34 semiosis pdurbin: it's far from perfect, but it usually gets the job done without any hassle 23:35 semiosis pdurbin: you can use an AWS service called IAM (Identity & Access Management) to make API keys with limited access 23:35 pdurbin semiosis: thanks. so this free 5GB of S3 from amazon should work, right? and the s3cmd client? 23:36 semiosis pdurbin: yep. i think s3cmd even has some kind of encryption feature, never used it tho 23:36 pdurbin hmm. ok 23:37 pdurbin melodie: my concerns is that my VM with the data will be hacked. but if the only secret on there is my password for my backups to S3 that's not so bad. I'd like to configure the backups to be public anyway. I assume I can do that with S3 like I do with Dropbox or Google Drive 23:37 pdurbin concern* 23:38 melodie I don't know about S3, and I was answering only about the ssh keys, private and public 23:39 melodie why would your VM be hacked ? Why wouldn't rather your hard drive die one day ? Or your machine have an accident ? 23:39 semiosis pdurbin: you can make s3 objects public, but someone has to pay for the egress transfer 23:39 pdurbin my VM will be hacked some day because it's on the public internet :) 23:39 melodie ah... 23:40 melodie why wouldn't you keep the sensitive data somewhere else ? 23:40 pdurbin semiosis: hmm, so I can have 5 GB for free but I can't make it public 23:40 pdurbin unless someone pays for something (egress) 23:41 pdurbin melodie: the only sensitive data is the password I would great so I can start copying data from the VM in the cloud to somewhere offsite such as Amazon's AWS S3 storage service. the data itself (IRC logs) is already public 23:41 melodie pdurbin if you want 10 GB for free and have it either public or private you can use minus.com 23:41 semiosis pdurbin: you pay for two things in S3: disk usage for data at rest, and network egress for bytes served to the internet. you could exceed the free tier limit in either one 23:42 pdurbin would great? I meant to say "the password I would create" 23:42 semiosis pdurbin: if lots of people download your data from s3 you may have to pay for the extra bandwidth out, even though your stored file size is well under 5G 23:42 melodie but you will only have the web browser to send data, and no access by ssh, or ftp or such… 23:43 pdurbin semiosis: wat. that sucks. sounds like they're going to want a credit card 23:44 pdurbin melodie: yeah, I'm going to need ftp or whatever. scp, rsync 23:45 pdurbin cmdln: should I use archive.org? 23:46 pdurbin seems like you have to upload metadata with every transfer. bleh 23:46 pdurbin maybe someone in this channel has a VM I can copy the data to :) 23:47 pdurbin codex: not you. somewhere off site :) 23:47 eben what are you trying to do exactly? 23:47 eben agoddard: i'll investigate sensu more. thanks. 23:48 ben_e there's some italian dude using my nick! 23:48 pdurbin ben_e: right now I'm stupidly uploading data to https://github.com/pdurbin/data.greptilian.com to get it off site 23:48 ben_e this underscore makes me feel uncomfortable 23:48 ben_e where "site" is a VM somewhere that hosts your public website? 23:48 pdurbin ben_e: can I upload it to your VM instead? 23:48 ben_e probably 23:49 pdurbin the site is codex's basement (I think) 23:49 ben_e heh 23:49 pdurbin ben_e: I'd be happy to host some data for you. no charge! 23:49 ben_e i have plenty of all that 23:50 ben_e or something 23:50 semiosis pdurbin: they will want a credit card :/ 23:50 pdurbin done and done 23:50 pdurbin semiosis: f amazon ;) 23:50 semiosis ha 23:51 melodie pdurbin this looks fun: http://www.symform.com/our-solutions/pricing/ 23:51 melodie please have a look? 23:51 pdurbin melodie: do they have a linux client? 23:51 ben_e is this just for backup? 23:51 melodie and free backup here: http://www.symform.com/free-cloud-backup/ 23:52 melodie I don't know yet, I just found it 23:52 pdurbin ben_e: yeah. we could do a proper mirror or whatever 23:52 semiosis pdurbin: how about that mega guy? didnt he launch a new free storage site? 23:52 semiosis istr something about that 23:52 pdurbin mega guy? 23:52 melodie I bet if you type a few words such as "US free storage" or other keywords you will find more than one solution 23:52 pdurbin melodie: why? I have ben_e :) 23:53 melodie pdurbin why what ? 23:53 pdurbin why look any further than ben_e :) 23:53 ben_e the megaupload guy 23:53 ben_e kim dotcom 23:53 semiosis pdurbin: kim dotcom? he was in the news not too long ago. megaupload got raided, etc etc 23:54 pdurbin dunno him 23:54 semiosis recently he started a new site, which appears to be https://mega.co.nz/ 23:55 pdurbin and he got raided? should i trust this guy? 23:55 semiosis i think the movie studios have more to worry about than you do 23:56 pdurbin I give away my IRC logs for free :) 23:56 semiosis the fbi raided megaupload because people were storing pirated content there 23:57 semiosis legit users with legal data got screwed 23:57 semiosis i'm surprised you haven't heard about this 23:57 ben_e it was all over ars technica and the other geek news sites 23:57 pdurbin must be on the wrong sites 23:58 semiosis it was in the ny times too 23:58 semiosis it was big international news... fbi raided the guy's home in new zealand