Time Nick Message 00:18 pdurbin caymus: good stuff 00:29 caymus thx pdurbin , but the widget tilt on twinview irritates me, i need to adjust this problem, or understand from where it comes 00:31 caymus i use mouse position to move widgets 00:35 caymus i have only 1 computer using twinview, so i need to format my main os, and also install win 7 with TwinView 00:35 caymus I 'have not win7 , except in virtual machine.... :/ 00:40 pdurbin :/ 14:21 pdurbin JoeJulian: you around? 14:22 pdurbin I have a little follow up to http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-03-18#i_6601609 14:22 pdurbin I just posted this: Theodore Ts'o on Gluster, ext4 directory cookies at NELF 2013 - https://soundcloud.com/philipdurbin/theodore-tso-on-gluster-ext4 14:23 pdurbin semiosis: ^^ 14:30 pdurbin join #gluster 14:32 pdurbin whoops. :) ... I just dropped a link in #gluster: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/gluster/2013-04-14#i_6702798 18:13 melodie pdurbin I have registered to github and now I am going to look how to push a patch 18:14 melodie I will start easy with a little change in the home desktop file which is on Desktop and will make it more responsive in virtual machines 18:29 pdurbin melodie: nice! 18:30 melodie I might need some help on the way, I'm a newbie 18:30 melodie at that 18:40 melodie reading here: https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git 18:47 pdurbin melodie: ask away :) 18:48 melodie I just installed git in my distro 18:48 melodie for now I just follow what is written 18:48 melodie thanks :) 18:50 melodie pdurbin do you know if I need some or any of the optional depends ? here is a list provided by my package manager: 18:50 melodie tk: gitk and git gui 18:50 melodie perl-libwww: git svn 18:50 melodie perl-term-readkey: git svn 18:50 melodie perl-mime-tools: git send-email 18:50 melodie perl-net-smtp-ssl: git send-email TLS support 18:50 melodie perl-authen-sasl: git send-email TLS support 18:50 melodie python2: various helper scripts[installé] 18:50 melodie subversion: git svn 18:50 melodie cvsps: git cvsimport 18:50 melodie I won't use subversion this I am sure 18:51 melodie else I don't know 18:51 pdurbin meh. it's all good. install it all :) 18:53 melodie :o 18:53 melodie I don't think I need that much ? 18:53 melodie why do I need them all ? 18:55 pdurbin you probably don't 18:55 melodie oh ok :D 18:55 melodie I can always find the list if I need to later, the pacman.log is very handy 18:58 pdurbin melodie: you can add yourself to http://crimsonfu.github.io/members with a pull request to https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/tree/master/members :) 18:58 melodie ok I am going to try to do that 18:59 pdurbin that you should be able to do all in your browser if you want 19:00 melodie I am wondering about something 19:01 melodie shouldn't I quit the nick for registering ? 19:02 pdurbin melodie: quit the nick? 19:03 melodie none of you have used their nick at that page 19:03 pdurbin oh. my nick is in the url 19:03 pdurbin i.e. http://crimsonfu.github.io/members/pdurbin 19:04 melodie oh ok 19:04 pdurbin melodie: in this file you can set your display_name if you want to start making blog posts: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/blob/master/_config.yml 19:23 melodie Hi melodie11! You've successfully authenticated, but GitHub does not provide shell access. 19:23 melodie lol! 19:26 pdurbin heh 19:36 melodie pdurbin what is next I need to do to add myself to your group ? 19:42 pdurbin melodie: hold on I'm just realizing that... 19:42 pdurbin rackerhacker: ... you tried to add yourself 3 months ago?!? https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/pull/1 19:43 pdurbin rackerhacker: sorry! :) 19:43 melodie pdurbin no problem, I keep myself busy in the meanwhile 19:43 pdurbin melodie: your pull request should look like that :) 19:44 GitHub60 [crimsonfu.github.com] pdurbin pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/compare/b5070e43b15c...be6eedfb0fe6 19:44 GitHub60 crimsonfu.github.com/master d95163c Major Hayden: Added member details for myself (Major) 19:44 GitHub60 crimsonfu.github.com/master be6eedf Philip Durbin: Merge pull request #1 from rackerhacker/master... 19:44 pdurbin rackerhacker: all set: http://crimsonfu.github.io/members/rackerhacker ... sorry for the delay :) 19:45 melodie perhaps should I start with the beginning ? I didn't yet find how to submit a registration to your group 19:46 pdurbin melodie: it's pretty informal :) 19:46 pdurbin basically if you hang out in this channel you're a member :) 19:46 melodie oh... 19:49 melodie pdurbin when I click to "Edit" to the link you provided me earlier 19:49 melodie https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/blob/master/_config.yml 19:49 melodie it says: 19:50 melodie "Octotip: You are editing a file in a project you do not have write access to. We are forking this project for you (if one does not yet exist) to write your proposed changes to. Submitting a change to this file will write it to a new branch in your fork so you can send a pull request. " 19:50 melodie what do I need to do then ? 19:54 * pdurbin looks at https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/network/members 19:54 pdurbin melodie: right. so, you edit the files in your fork, your version of the main repo: https://github.com/melodie11/crimsonfu.github.com 19:55 melodie I understand what you say when you say "melodie: right. so, you edit the files in your fork," 19:56 melodie ... 19:56 melodie I think I get it 19:56 pdurbin :) 19:59 melodie I feel stupid. How do I edit that ? 20:01 melodie do I add "nick: mynick" and name just before "something_to_iterate_over:" ? 20:02 pdurbin yep 20:02 melodie ok :) 20:03 melodie so that is not too complicated. Do I simply end with clicking to the "Propose File Change" button ? 20:04 pdurbin yep 20:04 melodie ok 20:05 melodie done. what should I do next ? 20:05 melodie am I ready to submit this little patch for the cs50 desktop file appliance ? 20:06 pdurbin melodie: then... "send pull request" like this screenshot: https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perl-tutorial-org-data/pull/4 20:10 melodie pdurbin I am going to try to explore more about the structure of the github organisation because I don't quite get it for the time being 20:10 melodie I'll read from that main page gain and follow the links 20:15 pdurbin melodie: ok. no hurry :) 20:53 melodie pdurbin I am having a look at commandlinefu website, and the first command line I see makes me laugh :) 20:53 melodie http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse 20:54 melodie by the time the 3600 seconds elapse this guy needs to be back to provide his password. ^^ 21:32 melodie pdurbin some time ago you told me about cs50 that I could start with reporting some issues here: https://manual.cs50.net/CS50_Appliance_2.3#Known_Issues 21:33 melodie however browsing to and fro at that page there isn't anything which looks to me like a bugzilla 21:34 melodie for now I still don't now how I can make a pull request, are there any "1-2-3" steps I could follow, and see how the pull would go in direction of this git tree ? 21:36 melodie the "know_issues" page is even locked and the login button dedicated to staff only. 21:37 melodie known* 21:52 pdurbin melodie: I don't know. the best place to ask is probably http://groups.google.com/group/cs50-discuss/topics 21:53 melodie pdurbin else than that, how a pull request done through crimsonfu group can go to cs50 repos ? 21:55 pdurbin melodie: crimsonfu has nothing to do with cs50 21:56 melodie that's what I was thinking 21:56 pdurbin :) 21:56 melodie doesn't the cs50 appliance have a repos there too ? 21:56 pdurbin I thought maybe you'd like to practice a pull request 21:56 pdurbin melodie: there's https://github.com/cs50/appliance50 21:56 melodie I am not too keen however I prefer to do things with stuff that are real and meant to be used 21:57 pdurbin melodie: you could open an issue: https://github.com/cs50/appliance50/issues 21:57 melodie thank you 21:57 melodie is that better ? 21:57 pdurbin can't hurt :) 21:57 melodie there are too many little issues I met with, I should restart from the beginning 21:58 melodie that would be a list of issues 21:58 melodie :| 21:58 pdurbin probably better to mention them in one email to the list then 21:58 melodie brrr 21:58 melodie no I won't 21:58 melodie I need to be part of the list for some time before doing something such as this 21:59 melodie I don't want to look like I criticize publicly, I want to come with the problems and solution one by one at the most relevant place 22:00 melodie I will also take this as an opportunity to learn how github works 22:00 melodie and get familiar with it 22:01 pdurbin knowing how github works is a good thing 22:01 pdurbin sounds like you're making progress :) 22:02 melodie :) 22:07 melodie pdurbin where is your "fu" favicon intented to be ? which website ? 22:09 melodie pdurbin this is what I am referring to: 22:09 melodie https://github.com/melodie11/crimsonfu.github.com/blob/26c1c3c1f4ff7e0ad2d6e3fd1dcc26d1192f53bd/favicon.ico 22:09 melodie https://github.com/melodie11/crimsonfu.github.com/commit/26c1c3c1f4ff7e0ad2d6e3fd1dcc26d1192f53bd 22:10 pdurbin fu is short for kung fu 22:10 melodie yes 22:11 melodie I was looking for a contribution I could do there and I know favicons are usually much smaller. so I thought I would ask you at which website you are having it 22:12 melodie so I can have a look at "what it looks like" in situ, if it is already in use 22:12 pdurbin you should be able to see a favicon at http://crimsonfu.github.io 22:13 pdurbin and the "fu" as an image near the top of that page 22:16 melodie ok, this one http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/5accd79d827a12591f4b2ba652362688?s=48 is 48x48, as they can be 16x16, or 32x32, 48.. 64 I guess the one you have on git will not be used as is 22:16 melodie nothing to be done for me here. :) 22:16 melodie or by me* 22:16 pdurbin :) 22:17 pdurbin am I doing it right? 22:17 melodie I think you are doing perfect and I am unfortunately not useful yet. ^^ 22:17 pdurbin heh 22:17 pdurbin you're useful. don't worry :) 22:17 melodie thanks. :) 22:18 pdurbin melodie: so are you learning some C? from taking cs50? 22:18 melodie I will 22:19 melodie I am preparing my hardware to make it easier and more agreable, configured the dual screen on the laptop, got some better speakers for now and will by some better headphones soon too. and tomorrow I start another course which will last several weeks up to mid june 22:20 melodie and I already know Scratch, I had even included it in this project: http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/pclinuxos-education-en 22:21 pdurbin the other course is in Scratch? 22:21 melodie I like it very much when they show and compare the Scratch objects with the shape of the C code, it's very explanatory 22:21 melodie they use Scratch as a pedagogic tool 22:23 melodie pdurbin you might want to get this version of distro for your children, no need to update it 22:23 melodie it's too old to be updated as is anyhow 22:23 melodie the installer is even hidden 22:25 melodie this is the one course where C is compared with the Scratch objects: http://cs50.tv/2011/fall/sections/1/section1.mp4 22:30 pdurbin_m cool 22:34 pdurbin_m a book about C: http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2013-04-14#i_5224 22:34 melodie pdurbin_m thank you 22:35 pdurbin_m I haven't read it 22:35 pdurbin_m sounds good though 22:36 melodie I just did a walk throught the cs50 git repos and examined several branches, to finally figure out your suggest to post here: https://github.com/cs50/appliance50/issues is the best place 22:36 melodie for what I can and want to contribute 22:37 melodie pdurbin all the contributions I did before and the ones done by our LinuxVillage friends are available here: http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS 22:38 melodie and can be found also from the nav bar of the main LinuxVillage website at http://linuxvillage.org (download tab links directly to "Linuxvillage" directory which is under "ISOS" 22:43 pdurbin_m right. you make a lot of ISOs. awesome 22:45 melodie pdurbin_m :) 22:46 melodie the Debian isos are all from djohnston and Taco.22 22:46 melodie :D 22:48 pdurbin_m ah 22:50 melodie I had done lots of ISOs at pclinuxos, that was when I had everything to learn about doing them. 22:50 melodie and some debugging on the way too, fortunately the project interested many people and they came to help with their knowledge and skills. 22:52 pdurbin_m any interest in making vagrant base boxes? 22:54 pdurbin_m check out https://github.com/spilth/veewee-centos63 22:59 melodie pdurbin I am not able to learn too many things at same time and still maintain a life out of the computer 23:00 melodie each new item to learn about brings in more side things to learn with it 23:01 pdurbin_m :) 23:01 melodie pdurbin this is what I am starting tomorrow, because it was available and because you have advised me to start with python: https://www.coursera.org/course/interactivepython 23:01 melodie so this will be my "full time" learning for the next weeks 23:02 melodie and I will fall back to cs50 OpenCoursware after 23:02 pdurbin_m that reminds me. the Java people recommend Java, not python ;) 23:02 melodie unless I continue watching a video little by little, at least to get familiar with the topics 23:02 melodie pdurbin I won't go there, no way 23:03 melodie python ok because lots of people take it, even very young ones, and Java apps I don't like anyway 23:03 pdurbin here: [09:10] at http://www.evanchooly.com/logs/%23%23jsf/2013-04-11 23:03 melodie in Linux they don't look handsome and it slows down the computers for being resource greedy 23:04 pdurbin I think the important thing is to learn any programming language 23:05 pdurbin sounds like you already understand the concepts. you just need practice 23:05 pdurbin (I need more practice too) 23:05 melodie why is it talked about Java and about Javascript in the same discussion ? 23:05 melodie some of them, but not much yet 23:07 pdurbin javascript is the language of the browser so many language are combined with javascript... php+javascript, java+javascript, ruby+javascript, python+javascript 23:07 melodie I will be most interested to learn about all open source languages (I'll always stay a newbie anyhow ^^ ) and will enjoy getting into understanding 23:07 melodie I don't remember Java being quoted as open source ? 23:08 melodie python is a powerful snake, already read a chapter of presentation related to python today. It seems it does hundreds of things 23:08 pdurbin java didn't start out as open source but it is now 23:09 pdurbin melodie: this is the main downside with python for me: http://wiki.greptilian.com/python/downsides (and it's not *that* big of a downside) 23:10 melodie I will look, thanks 23:20 pdurbin sure 23:23 pdurbin heh. now I've got the Java guys talking again: http://www.evanchooly.com/logs/%23%23jsf/2013-04-14 :) 23:23 pdurbin like I do :) 23:29 melodie isn't Java closed source, and why aren't there any handsome themes for Java applications in linux boxes ? the fonts are all ugly for instance 23:31 melodie pdurbin "Technodrome Java is an all around great language, people who say its slow are usually talking about gui apps they have used in 1999 using java" 23:31 pdurbin I don't know why it's ugly. :) ... Java is kind of like Perl... it's for getting work done. :) 23:32 melodie in 99 I didn't have a computer, this is a Java app tried just a pair of years ago 23:32 melodie I have been told it might look not that ugly in Windows, but this is something I don't know really 23:32 pdurbin Java used to be closed source. not anymore 23:33 melodie since when ? 23:33 pdurbin buh. 5 or 10 years? not sure 23:33 melodie when did it happen and who holds the code ? 23:34 pdurbin well, Java is a spec... so multiple organization write their own implementation (Oracle, IBM, Red Hat) 23:34 pdurbin people talk about "openjdk" vs. "Oracle Java" 23:34 pdurbin in theory, Java apps should run fine on both 23:35 melodie ok 23:36 melodie however this is the big "thing" now, all the schools and trainings for grown up push to Java... why ? aren't there other very good languages as well ? and providing nicer ui ? 23:37 pdurbin that's a fair question 23:37 pdurbin a few schools are switching from teaching Java first to teaching Python 23:38 pdurbin you gotta teach *something* first ;) 23:41 melodie pdurbin http://wiki.greptilian.com/python/downsides your exemple makes me think of Spip CMS vers Wordpress CMS 23:42 melodie with Spip you need first to make a skeleton, whereas in Wordpress you just write your posts and once it's done you can create the relevant category on the fly, and later add subcategories or parent categories as easily 23:43 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky spip cms 23:43 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.spip.net/en_rubrique25.html 23:43 melodie I like this method much better because less strict allows leaving the need and imagination work freely 23:43 pdurbin python is all about being strict 23:44 pdurbin so is java 23:44 pdurbin perl is not :) 23:44 pdurbin ironcamel: ^^ 23:44 melodie I think I could like Perl 23:51 pdurbin ! 23:51 pdurbin nobody says that but me and ironcamel ;) 23:51 pdurbin codex: and you 23:53 pdurbin melodie: the perl community is so nice. check out the conversation I had in #pdl on friday: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/pdl/2013-04-12 23:58 melodie pdurbin I have a great pdf book and several documentations, I just have to start somewhere with a good frame, this is why I was seeking for online courses 23:59 melodie this great pdf book was given to me by his author, it's written in French and has the good size fonts.