Time  Nick         Message
00:09 pdurbin      melodie: so, you're part of the Ubuntu Openbox Remix project?
00:10 pdurbin      I think this is the thread you linked to: OBUbuntu RC7 - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,198.0.html
00:11 melodie      pdurbin I am leading this project
00:11 melodie      as you have created crimsonfu
00:12 melodie      the other buddies at the LinuxVillage have done the same with Debian testing. We all use the same basis, and about the same main ingredients
00:13 * pdurbin    tries to translate the linuxvillage about page from french to english: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxvillage.org
00:14 melodie      if you wish there are pages in English as well
00:18 pdurbin      ironcamel: you're a big fan of openbox, if memory serves. I still haven't tried it
00:21 ironcamel    pdurbin: yeah, i'm running it right now
00:21 ironcamel    apt-get install openbox; openbox --replace
00:25 melodie      hi
00:26 melodie      ironcamel did you hear about openbox-menu and "obsession" ?
00:26 melodie      (o b session)
00:39 ironcamel    melodie: i have not. should i try those?
00:39 melodie      yes
00:39 melodie      moment plse
00:40 melodie      do you use Debian, or Ubuntu ?
00:41 melodie      I have done a ppa for Ubuntu, put aside a package for Debian, however obssion needs to be compiled, which I did for Ubuntu and for Debian (but did not package yet)
00:42 melodie      sources here: http://code.google.com/p/mimarchlinux
02:24 ironcamel    melodie: i am running arch
02:25 ironcamel    and looks like arch has both of those in AUR, it's community based repo
02:35 melodie      ironcamel yes
02:35 melodie      I run Arch too and so does mimas
02:36 melodie      you might want to use the aur pkgbuild, as the community repos perhaps is not up to date
02:36 ironcamel    i'm not sure what that means :)
02:37 melodie      then you will need to configure your menu.xml file and your autostart file in .config/openbox
02:37 ironcamel    i'm just doing packer -S openbox-menu
02:37 melodie      ironcamel do you use yaourt ?
02:37 ironcamel    i user packer
02:37 ironcamel    which is an alternative to yaourt
02:37 melodie      I don't know packer, does it access the aur repos ?
02:37 ironcamel    yes
02:37 melodie      then if you can get the aur version it is more up to date
02:38 ironcamel    i am installing from aur
02:38 ironcamel    ok, done
02:38 ironcamel    now what do i do with openbox-menu?
02:38 melodie      I can give you my menu.lst third line if you want and my autostart file line to match it
02:38 ironcamel    sure :)
02:38 melodie      I give the lines to you and openbox-menu will work
02:39 ironcamel    where does menu.lst go?
02:39 ironcamel    i just have a menu.xml
02:39 ironcamel    in ~/.config/openbox
02:39 melodie      <menu id="desktop-app" label="Applications" execute=" cat ~/.cache/menu.xml" />
02:39 melodie      this is the third line here
02:39 melodie      and this third line is just after:
02:40 melodie      <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
02:40 melodie      <openbox_menu xmlns="http://openbox.org/3.4/menu">
02:40 melodie      one of the first lines in my autostart file, to match the menu.xml line:
02:40 melodie      openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:41 ironcamel    that looks scary
02:41 melodie      ironcamel I mean menu.xml, sorry
02:41 ironcamel    do i need sakura?
02:41 melodie      no
02:41 melodie      you can put your's instead
02:41 melodie      urxvt, or whatever console you use
02:41 melodie      -p is for persistant mode : dynamic
02:42 ironcamel    i use gnome-terminal
02:42 melodie      ok
02:42 melodie      then go for it
02:42 melodie      -g is for gnome menus
02:42 ironcamel    replace sakura with gnome-terminal?
02:42 melodie      -x for xfce menus
02:42 melodie      yes
02:42 melodie      exactly
02:42 melodie      and -t for terminal
02:42 melodie      there is one more switch which I don't use is -k for kde
02:42 melodie      I don't use kde apps
02:43 melodie      in the desktop files you often get ShowOnlyIn=SomeDesktops;
02:43 melodie      or such
02:43 melodie      these switches are made for this kind of thing
02:44 melodie      do you have a pic with your desktop ? :)
02:44 ironcamel    so how would i run openbox-menu manually?
02:44 melodie      I show you a post where I reported it
02:44 melodie      well, in console ? just "openbox-menu"
02:44 melodie      but there is one more way
02:45 melodie      openbox-menu even lighter - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,200.msg1277.html#msg1277
02:45 ironcamel    melodie: http://ironcamel.com/files/ss.png
02:46 ironcamel    when i run it in the console, nothing happens
02:46 ironcamel    what is supposed to happen?
02:46 melodie      it might be because of the latest menu-cached... :/
02:47 melodie      same here
02:47 melodie      "** (openbox-menu:7407): WARNING **: Cannot create menu, check if the .menu file is correct
02:47 melodie      "
02:47 melodie      just logout/login, then you should have your menus
02:47 ironcamel    $ openbox-menu
02:47 ironcamel    ** (process:18816): WARNING **: removed previous socket file /tmp/.menu-cached-:0-naveed
02:47 melodie      it used to display the whole menu
02:47 melodie      do you have a 64bits install ?
02:47 ironcamel    yes
02:47 melodie      wait a sec
02:48 melodie      I'll show you some comments at aur
02:48 melodie      https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/openbox-menu
02:49 melodie      mimas answered in the comments, I think it might have helped the ones using 64bits boxes
02:49 melodie      mervinb found a workaround !
02:52 ironcamel    i created that script in ~/bin instead of /usr/local/bin
02:52 ironcamel    now when i run it, it just dumps some xml
02:52 melodie      ironcamel I hope you will get to be able to use it, it's a nice program (I have to make a 64bits machine I have working again)
02:52 melodie      dumping xml is good !
02:52 melodie      it means it works
02:53 ironcamel    that's all it does?
02:53 melodie      do a right click on the desktop
02:53 ironcamel    ok
02:53 melodie      you should see "Application" then all the categories on the right
02:53 melodie      I show a few pics to you:
02:53 ironcamel    my menu looks the same as before
02:53 melodie      http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/obubuntu-RC8-menus.png
02:54 ironcamel    yeah, mine doesn't do that
02:54 ironcamel    i don't have the menue on the right
02:54 melodie      http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/2-Ubuntu-Openbox-desktop.png
02:54 melodie      did you logout/login ? first time it might help
02:55 melodie      did you reload openbox btw ?
02:55 ironcamel    i have not logged out/in.
02:55 melodie      after editing menu.xml
02:55 ironcamel    do i need stuff in autostart ?
02:55 melodie      yes
02:55 melodie      you need:
02:55 melodie      <melodie> one of the first lines in my autostart file, to match the menu.xml line:
02:55 melodie      <melodie> openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:55 melodie      this
02:55 melodie      openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:56 melodie      mine starts this way here:
02:56 melodie      #!/bin/sh
02:56 melodie      # lancer openbox-menu en t√Ęche de fond
02:56 melodie      openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "sakura -e" lxde-applications.menu &
02:56 melodie      ## autorisations polkit en test
02:56 melodie      /usr/lib/polkit-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
02:56 melodie      ...
02:57 melodie      I have also prepared a set of configurations for : Ubuntu, Debian, Sabayon, and PCLinuxOS. each tested and working.
02:57 melodie      all online on a web space, of course.
02:57 ironcamel    what does openbox-menu -o menu.xml do?
02:57 ironcamel    does it overwrite menu.xml?
02:58 melodie      well, you should type in console "openbox-menu --help" then you will have the answer
02:58 melodie      output perhaps ?
02:58 ironcamel    seems the answer is yes
02:58 melodie      :)
02:58 ironcamel    <menu id="desktop-app" label="Applications" execute=" cat ~/.cache/menu.xml" />
02:58 ironcamel    i have a question about ^^^
02:58 ironcamel    ~/.cache/menu.xml
02:58 ironcamel    i don't have that file
02:59 melodie      (sorry, my cat talks to me at same time, I have to listen to her... saying 'mrii')
02:59 melodie      do you have a .cache ?
02:59 ironcamel    yes
02:59 melodie      did you put a " where it must not be ?
02:59 ironcamel    what?
02:59 melodie      I check
03:00 melodie      $ pastebin menu.xml
03:00 melodie      http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/459771
03:00 melodie      $ pastebin autostart
03:00 melodie      http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/459772
03:00 melodie      now we can check together
03:01 melodie      if that still does not work, try login/logout, chances it works
03:02 ironcamel    before i login/logout, i want to make sure my menu.xml is correct
03:02 ironcamel    this seems strange: execute=" cat ~/.cache/menu.xml"
03:02 ironcamel    since i do not have that file
03:02 melodie      what menu files do you have in /etc/xdg/menu ?
03:02 melodie      cat will create it
03:03 melodie      cat does not only show files, it also creates, pipes...
03:03 melodie      "    cat - concatenate files and print on the standard output
03:03 melodie      "
03:03 ironcamel    cat file_name will show the contents of file_name
03:03 ironcamel    not create the file
03:03 ironcamel    $ ls /etc/xdg/menus/
03:03 ironcamel    applications.menu  gnomecc.menu  kde-applications.menu
03:04 ironcamel    i don't have lxde-applications.menu
03:04 ironcamel    so should i update my autostart line?
03:04 melodie      you have to adapt accordingly
03:04 melodie      choose one of your menus
03:04 melodie      applications is ok too
03:05 ironcamel    applications.menu?
03:06 melodie      me thinks juste applications might work
03:06 ironcamel    $ openbox-menu -o menu.xml -p -g -x -t "gnome-terminal -e" applications.menu
03:06 ironcamel    ** Message: wrote to /home/naveed/.cache/menu.xml
03:06 ironcamel    looks like i have a ~/.cache/menu.xml now
03:06 melodie      ok !
03:07 melodie      do you have the menu showing in openbox right-click menu now ?
03:07 melodie      ironcamel tell me, then I go to sleep :D
03:08 melodie      horribly late here, didn't see time running
03:08 ironcamel    logging out now ...
03:08 melodie      ok
03:09 ironcamel    melodie: no :( it's the same as before
03:09 melodie      humm
03:10 melodie      you might want to write to mimas
03:10 ironcamel    ok
03:10 ironcamel    thanks for your help anyway
03:10 melodie      you should check here first : http://mimasgpc.free.fr/openbox-menu_en.html
03:12 melodie      ironcamel and from google code his mail is : mimasgpc at free dot fr
03:12 melodie      ironcamel next time you will tell me how you solve it
03:12 melodie      :)
03:12 melodie      good / night: or any other part of the time
03:12 ironcamel    goodnight :)
03:12 melodie      thanks :)
03:18 ironcamel    haha, just got it working
10:09 pdurbin_     crimsonfubot: load channelstats
10:09 crimsonfubot pdurbin_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:09 pdurbin      crimsonfubot: load channelstats
10:09 crimsonfubot pdurbin: The operation succeeded.
10:09 pdurbin      crimsonfubot: channelstats
10:09 crimsonfubot pdurbin: On #crimsonfu there have been 2 messages, containing 64 characters, 7 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 0 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.  There are currently 30 users and the channel has peaked at 0 users.
10:10 pdurbin      semiosis: I made myself an owner of crimsonfubot
10:10 pdurbin      please let me know if you want some other stuff loaded
10:10 pdurbin      or if you'd like to be an owner
13:53 pdurbin      some chatter with ironcamel about scaling web apps: http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2013-03-20#i_4370
14:33 semiosis     @version
14:33 crimsonfubot semiosis: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2011-06-27T14:41:49-0400).  The newest version available in the gribble git repository is 0.83.4.1+gribble (2011-08-12T18:12:56-0400).
14:34 semiosis     pdurbin: i'd suggest upgrading to the limnoria fork, it's actively maintained
14:34 semiosis     google limnoria github
14:34 crimsonfubot https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria
14:34 semiosis     that's a bug, the bot shouldn't (imho) respond to any message beginning with 'google'
14:35 semiosis     also there's a plugin ('web' iirc) that fetches page titles for urls in channel
14:36 pdurbin      semiosis: is it in base or epel?
14:37 semiosis     pdurbin: JoeJulian might be able to answer that, idk whats in rpm repos these days.  i just pulled the source from github & followed the install instructions -- it was real easy
14:38 pdurbin      semiosis: cool, you can send me a pull request: https://github.com/pdurbin/greptilian-vagrant ;)
14:39 semiosis     noted :)
14:43 pdurbin      semiosis: as long as you can automate the install and setup with puppet it's fine by me
14:45 semiosis     well, i *can*, but i have a feeling that's not really sufficient
14:45 semiosis     probably need to actually do it
18:21 pdurbin      hmm. http://mirror-status.repoforge.org
20:25 JoeJulian    One more reason to dislike gem: "invalid option: --include-dependencies". Yum, and I'm sure apt, have allowed the same options that they allowed in 1994. If those options are no longer used, they just ignore them.
20:28 pdurbin      wait, something in ruby dropped backward compatibility?
20:30 comptona     pdurbin: if it's in a distro package, it's too old
20:35 pdurbin      comptona: well, doesn't puppet kinda work with ruby distro packages? or maybe it used to
20:35 comptona     it varies
20:35 comptona     puppet 3 doesn't work with ruby 1.8.5 anymore, which is what RHEL 5 has
20:36 JoeJulian    The ruby distro package update is what broke that. It's been deprecated for a long time. Puppet is from the puppetlabs repo so it's the latest bleeding edge.
20:36 comptona     but in general I think they do a good job of backwards compatibility
20:54 sjoeboo      puppet 3 from the pupeptlabs repo has newer (backported?) ruby w/ it as a dep, so it can be used on EL5 systems
20:54 sjoeboo      thats how we got to 3 a few days after release
23:09 melodie      hi
23:53 pdurbin      melodie: looks like ironcamel figured it out
23:54 melodie      pdurbin great ! :D