Time Nick Message 00:01 JoeJulian Lol! "The outage extinguished traffic lights during rush hour. Police suggested people seek alternate routes." Really? Is that possible? I thought "all roads lead to Boston". :D 03:44 pdurbin simmel: sorry, missed your comments earlier. flipping the logstash query from 15 minutes to 4 hours did allow me to see the data 03:45 pdurbin and i don't control the money at work (thankfully) but someone else is already paying for splunk or something 03:45 pdurbin but i certainly do understand that splunk is expensive 03:46 pdurbin and anyway, as i mentioned the other day, i'm moving on from my current job (next friday is my last day) so i dunno if i'll really be using splunk (or logstash) in the near future or not. we'll see :) 03:47 pdurbin but that's not why i jumped in here 03:48 pdurbin just noticed and read this... that the vagrant guy started his own company: Announcing HashiCorp - http://www.hashicorp.com/blog/announcing-hashicorp.html 03:48 pdurbin which is pretty awesome 03:48 pdurbin hmm, no shuff 03:48 pdurbin he was asking about non-VirtualBox with Vagrant 03:48 pdurbin that blog post says "On the product development front, the separation of Vagrant from VirtualBox will be a reality soon. I have a working proof of concept of Vagrant powering VMWare Fusion, with support for vSphere and Workstation to follow. The interface to build these providers is open and will be fully documented – the open source community will have all it needs to build providers for AWS, KVM, LXC, and more. Expect an update January 2013." 03:49 pdurbin so that's cool 03:50 pdurbin sounds like he's going for an "open core" business model: "HashiCorp will build commercial plugins, i.e. paid add-ons, for Vagrant. This plugin system is already completely open source and will be fully documented, so that everyone has the same access to the interfaces HashiCorp will use. The paid add-ons HashiCorp will develop are for augmenting Vagrant in a non-fundamental way, and to improve what it can already do." 03:51 pdurbin it'll be interesting to see what those plugins do 03:53 * pdurbin congratulats the vagrant guy (michellh): http://irclogger.com/.vagrant/2012-11-29#1354247531 03:54 pdurbin congratulates 03:59 pdurbin not a lot of chatter in #vagrant about the announcement 04:15 miah ya 04:15 miah https://github.com/hoteltonight/vagrant-dsl 04:15 miah my coworker did this 04:19 pdurbin interesting... but... why not just use puppet or chef with `vagrant provision`? 04:28 ironcamel pdurbin: what is the advantage of irc over jabber conference rooms (group chat) for work communication 04:29 pdurbin group chat is bolted on to jabber. it wasn't part of the original spec 04:31 ironcamel kind of like multitasking on iphone 04:31 pdurbin heh. exactly 04:32 pdurbin (heh because http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2012-11-30#i_2357561 ) 04:37 pdurbin ironcamel: i think jabber is fine. i've used it for over 6 years at work. always openfire (which someone has set up already) 04:37 pdurbin and group chat works great. but i end up logging locally 04:37 pdurbin i know there are logs on the server somewhere 04:37 pdurbin but i think they're in xml 04:38 pdurbin probably presented in a readable format in some web gui 04:38 pdurbin i dunno, i never log into that web gui 04:38 pdurbin which is nice in a way. it means it "just works" 04:39 ironcamel who cares about server side logging 04:39 pdurbin but i'm not sure how to get decent centralized logging with openfire 04:39 pdurbin i'm quite happy with ilbot, which is used for this channel and now #sourcefu 04:39 pdurbin links are clickable. permalinks (with highlighting) per line 04:39 pdurbin very nice 04:40 ironcamel i guess it doesn't matter to me because my session never dies and i'm logging locally. i use the irssi xmpp plugin. run irssi inside a screen session on a cloud server. 04:40 pdurbin i owe moritz a pull request: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/ilbot/2012-11-29#i_6195934 04:41 pdurbin i take it you have a way to back up your local logs 04:41 ironcamel no 04:42 ironcamel do you mean like log rotate? i do that manually once a year or something 04:42 pdurbin i really like having _ilbot around to log for me (philbot in #sourcefu). i'd be afraid my local logs would be incomplete, that i'd miss something. i guess i'm a completionist 04:43 pdurbin no, not log rotate. i'm all about data liberation and preservation 04:43 ironcamel and i only do it for log files that are very huge, which are not my work related rooms 04:43 ironcamel liberation? 04:43 pdurbin so my new job at http://thedata.org should be interesting 04:44 ironcamel i don't want my work chat logs to be liberated, hehe 04:44 pdurbin https://github.com/pdurbin/data-liberation-shapado 04:44 ironcamel a lot of dirty and inappropriate jokes go on in there 04:44 pdurbin crimsonfubot: lucky data liberation front 04:44 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.dataliberation.org/ 04:44 pdurbin yeah, i'm not really one for the locker room talk 04:48 ironcamel even so, work communications belongs to my employer. they go the great lengths to keep it secure. 04:48 ironcamel *to great lengths 04:52 pdurbin lock up those dirty jokes ;) 04:52 pdurbin no, i get it :) 04:58 miah pdurbin: this allows us to build out rake tasks =) 04:58 miah https://github.com/hoteltonight/chef-workflow-tasklib 04:59 miah mostly so we can drive with this =) 04:59 pdurbin ok. i'm not really into rake. but cool 04:59 pdurbin miah: you gotta talk to agoddard about chef. he's so into it 05:00 miah i know 05:00 miah i met him at chefconf 05:05 pdurbin cool 05:06 pdurbin sjoeboo: he's swinging by the office tomorrow 05:06 pdurbin usually he's a couple hours away. i stopped by to say hi over the summer 05:11 pdurbin having a long chat with mitchellh in #vagrant 05:12 pdurbin jeez, it rolled over to the next day: http://irclogger.com/.vagrant/2012-11-30 05:12 * pdurbin yawns 05:17 pdurbin ironcamel: are you "blown away" by vagrant? http://irclogger.com/.vagrant/2012-11-30#1354252580 05:17 pdurbin of course you are 05:17 pdurbin magoo_: ^^ 05:31 magoo_ he's blown away, i assure you 06:14 ironcamel westmaas: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/11/amazon-v-google/ ... OpenStack services are a step below what you get from Amazon. “I don’t see any reason to choose Rackspace. AWS is superior in every way that counts,” he says — though he adds that he hopes this will change. 06:14 ironcamel westmaas: that is provably false right? 06:23 ironcamel westmaas: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109710815417568411564/posts/R7ZYdzvH8jf 06:24 ironcamel i'm always looking out for my favorite director 06:26 ironcamel the quote is from the guy that runs Scalr 06:27 ironcamel remember when you guys denied OpenStack membership to Scalr because it wasn't written in Python, haha 06:28 ironcamel that was kinda funny and kinda sad at the same time 06:30 ironcamel to some degree that was a reflection of the closed minded culture. which otherwise was really good. 06:33 ironcamel "According to benchmarks run by Scalr, virtual servers boot 4 to 10 times faster than on EC2, and in some cases, you can move data onto Google’s services as much as 20 times faster." 14:51 pdurbin ironcamel: ask us about openstack in an hour. a bunch of here are about to have a meeting :) 16:51 agoddard larsks: I think I might have been wrong about the ssh'ing of instances - only 'cause I can't find the log now, though there's like still a 5% chance I was right... needs research :) 17:00 pdurbin agoddard: you were thinking of cloudstack? 17:00 agoddard larsks: ahh, actually, the 5% might be correct.. 17:00 agoddard but my logs have rotated away 17:00 agoddard pdurbin: remembering it now, I'm pretty sure it was OS 17:01 agoddard I changed a flavor and there wasn't sufficient resources on the host, so it tried to migrate it (I'm pretty sure) and threw an ssh key error trying to move the instance storage. don't quote me, but worth investigating. 17:10 agoddard vindicated! I was right :) https://gist.github.com/2f482d5ac8d286402b7f 17:10 agoddard larsks: ^ 17:11 larsks Wacky. 17:11 agoddard ya, I was all 0_o 17:12 pdurbin agoddard: westmaas works on nova: https://launchpad.net/~westmaas 17:12 agoddard schweet. 17:12 agoddard I gotta go again, meeting lunch abaout to start 18:22 pdurbin agoddard: good lunch. thanks :) 18:36 * pdurbin looks at keystone + shibboleth stuff: https://answers.launchpad.net/keystone/+question/190859 18:36 pdurbin simmel: you use shibboleth, unless i'm forgetting... i wonder if you're looking at openstack 21:21 pdurbin JoeJulian: thanks for the gluster/kvm fu: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/gluster/2012-11-30#i_6201651 22:45 ironcamel pdurbin: westmaas knows all about shibboleth 22:46 westmaas true story 22:46 westmaas everything 23:10 * pdurbin remains skeptical 23:26 ironcamel me and westmaas worked on a project together and he very impressively got shibboleth up and running. deploying java applications is harder than writing them from scratch. 23:26 westmaas lol 23:27 westmaas yeah, I forget what I had working exactly 23:27 westmaas couple diff web pages 23:27 westmaas fancy stuff