Time  Nick         Message
00:01 JoeJulian    Lol! "The outage extinguished traffic lights during rush hour. Police suggested people seek alternate routes." Really? Is that possible? I thought "all roads lead to Boston". :D
03:44 pdurbin      simmel: sorry, missed your comments earlier. flipping the logstash query from 15 minutes to 4 hours did allow me to see the data
03:45 pdurbin      and i don't control the money at work (thankfully) but someone else is already paying for splunk or something
03:45 pdurbin      but i certainly do understand that splunk is expensive
03:46 pdurbin      and anyway, as i mentioned the other day, i'm moving on from my current job (next friday is my last day) so i dunno if i'll really be using splunk (or logstash) in the near future or not. we'll see :)
03:47 pdurbin      but that's not why i jumped in here
03:48 pdurbin      just noticed and read this... that the vagrant guy started his own company: Announcing HashiCorp - http://www.hashicorp.com/blog/announcing-hashicorp.html
03:48 pdurbin      which is pretty awesome
03:48 pdurbin      hmm, no shuff
03:48 pdurbin      he was asking about non-VirtualBox with Vagrant
03:48 pdurbin      that blog post says "On the product development front, the separation of Vagrant from VirtualBox will be a reality soon. I have a working proof of concept of Vagrant powering VMWare Fusion, with support for vSphere and Workstation to follow. The interface to build these providers is open and will be fully documented – the open source community will have all it needs to build providers for AWS, KVM, LXC, and more. Expect an update January 2013."
03:49 pdurbin      so that's cool
03:50 pdurbin      sounds like he's going for an "open core" business model: "HashiCorp will build commercial plugins, i.e. paid add-ons, for Vagrant. This plugin system is already completely open source and will be fully documented, so that everyone has the same access to the interfaces HashiCorp will use. The paid add-ons HashiCorp will develop are for augmenting Vagrant in a non-fundamental way, and to improve what it can already do."
03:51 pdurbin      it'll be interesting to see what those plugins do
03:53 * pdurbin    congratulats the vagrant guy (michellh): http://irclogger.com/.vagrant/2012-11-29#1354247531
03:54 pdurbin      congratulates
03:59 pdurbin      not a lot of chatter in #vagrant about the announcement
04:15 miah         ya
04:15 miah         https://github.com/hoteltonight/vagrant-dsl
04:15 miah         my coworker did this
04:19 pdurbin      interesting... but... why not just use puppet or chef with `vagrant provision`?
04:28 ironcamel    pdurbin: what is the advantage of irc over jabber conference rooms (group chat) for work communication
04:29 pdurbin      group chat is bolted on to jabber. it wasn't part of the original spec
04:31 ironcamel    kind of like multitasking on iphone
04:31 pdurbin      heh. exactly
04:32 pdurbin      (heh because http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2012-11-30#i_2357561 )
04:37 pdurbin      ironcamel: i think jabber is fine. i've used it for over 6 years at work. always openfire (which someone has set up already)
04:37 pdurbin      and group chat works great. but i end up logging locally
04:37 pdurbin      i know there are logs on the server somewhere
04:37 pdurbin      but i think they're in xml
04:38 pdurbin      probably presented in a readable format in some web gui
04:38 pdurbin      i dunno, i never log into that web gui
04:38 pdurbin      which is nice in a way. it means it "just works"
04:39 ironcamel    who cares about server side logging
04:39 pdurbin      but i'm not sure how to get decent centralized logging with openfire
04:39 pdurbin      i'm quite happy with ilbot, which is used for this channel and now #sourcefu
04:39 pdurbin      links are clickable. permalinks (with highlighting) per line
04:39 pdurbin      very nice
04:40 ironcamel    i guess it doesn't matter to me because my session never dies and i'm logging locally. i use the irssi xmpp plugin. run irssi inside a screen session on a cloud server.
04:40 pdurbin      i owe moritz a pull request: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/ilbot/2012-11-29#i_6195934
04:41 pdurbin      i take it you have a way to back up your local logs
04:41 ironcamel    no
04:42 ironcamel    do you mean like log rotate? i do that manually once a year or something
04:42 pdurbin      i really like having _ilbot around to log for me (philbot in #sourcefu). i'd be afraid my local logs would be incomplete, that i'd miss something. i guess i'm a completionist
04:43 pdurbin      no, not log rotate. i'm all about data liberation and preservation
04:43 ironcamel    and i only do it for log files that are very huge, which are not my work related rooms
04:43 ironcamel    liberation?
04:43 pdurbin      so my new job at http://thedata.org should be interesting
04:44 ironcamel    i don't want my work chat logs to be liberated, hehe
04:44 pdurbin      https://github.com/pdurbin/data-liberation-shapado
04:44 ironcamel    a lot of dirty and inappropriate jokes go on in there
04:44 pdurbin      crimsonfubot: lucky data liberation front
04:44 crimsonfubot pdurbin: http://www.dataliberation.org/
04:44 pdurbin      yeah, i'm not really one for the locker room talk
04:48 ironcamel    even so, work communications belongs to my employer. they go the great lengths to keep it secure.
04:48 ironcamel    *to great lengths
04:52 pdurbin      lock up those dirty jokes ;)
04:52 pdurbin      no, i get it :)
04:58 miah         pdurbin: this allows us to build out rake tasks =)
04:58 miah         https://github.com/hoteltonight/chef-workflow-tasklib
04:59 miah         mostly so we can drive with this =)
04:59 pdurbin      ok. i'm not really into rake. but cool
04:59 pdurbin      miah: you gotta talk to agoddard about chef. he's so into it
05:00 miah         i know
05:00 miah         i met him at chefconf
05:05 pdurbin      cool
05:06 pdurbin      sjoeboo: he's swinging by the office tomorrow
05:06 pdurbin      usually he's a couple hours away. i stopped by to say hi over the summer
05:11 pdurbin      having a long chat with mitchellh in #vagrant
05:12 pdurbin      jeez, it rolled over to the next day: http://irclogger.com/.vagrant/2012-11-30
05:12 * pdurbin    yawns
05:17 pdurbin      ironcamel: are you "blown away" by vagrant? http://irclogger.com/.vagrant/2012-11-30#1354252580
05:17 pdurbin      of course you are
05:17 pdurbin      magoo_: ^^
05:31 magoo_       he's blown away, i assure you
06:14 ironcamel    westmaas: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/11/amazon-v-google/ ... OpenStack services are a step below what you get from Amazon. “I don’t see any reason to choose Rackspace. AWS is superior in every way that counts,” he says — though he adds that he hopes this will change.
06:14 ironcamel    westmaas: that is provably false right?
06:23 ironcamel    westmaas: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109710815417568411564/posts/R7ZYdzvH8jf
06:24 ironcamel    i'm always looking out for my favorite director
06:26 ironcamel    the quote is from the guy that runs Scalr
06:27 ironcamel    remember when you guys denied OpenStack membership to Scalr because it wasn't written in Python, haha
06:28 ironcamel    that was kinda funny and kinda sad at the same time
06:30 ironcamel    to some degree that was a reflection of the closed minded culture. which otherwise was really good.
06:33 ironcamel    "According to benchmarks run by Scalr, virtual servers boot 4 to 10 times faster than on EC2, and in some cases, you can move data onto Google’s services as much as 20 times faster."
14:51 pdurbin      ironcamel: ask us about openstack in an hour. a bunch of here are about to have a meeting :)
16:51 agoddard     larsks: I think I might have been wrong about the ssh'ing of instances - only 'cause I can't find the log now, though there's like still a 5% chance I was right... needs research :)
17:00 pdurbin      agoddard: you were thinking of cloudstack?
17:00 agoddard     larsks: ahh, actually, the 5% might be correct..
17:00 agoddard     but my logs have rotated away
17:00 agoddard     pdurbin: remembering it now, I'm pretty sure it was OS
17:01 agoddard     I changed a flavor and there wasn't sufficient resources on the host, so it tried to migrate it (I'm pretty sure) and threw an ssh key error trying to move the instance storage. don't quote me, but worth investigating.
17:10 agoddard     vindicated! I was right :) https://gist.github.com/2f482d5ac8d286402b7f
17:10 agoddard     larsks: ^
17:11 larsks       Wacky.
17:11 agoddard     ya, I was all 0_o
17:12 pdurbin      agoddard: westmaas works on nova: https://launchpad.net/~westmaas
17:12 agoddard     schweet.
17:12 agoddard     I gotta go again, meeting lunch abaout to start
18:22 pdurbin      agoddard: good lunch. thanks :)
18:36 * pdurbin    looks at keystone + shibboleth stuff: https://answers.launchpad.net/keystone/+question/190859
18:36 pdurbin      simmel: you use shibboleth, unless i'm forgetting... i wonder if you're looking at openstack
21:21 pdurbin      JoeJulian: thanks for the gluster/kvm fu: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/gluster/2012-11-30#i_6201651
22:45 ironcamel    pdurbin: westmaas knows all about shibboleth
22:46 westmaas     true story
22:46 westmaas     everything
23:10 * pdurbin    remains skeptical
23:26 ironcamel    me and westmaas worked on a project together and he very impressively got shibboleth up and running. deploying java applications is harder than writing them from scratch.
23:26 westmaas     lol
23:27 westmaas     yeah, I forget what I had working exactly
23:27 westmaas     couple diff web pages
23:27 westmaas     fancy stuff