Time Nick Message 14:10 pdurbin i love it when language designers talk about why they designed a language. in this case, Rob Pike on Go: http://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentially-more.html 14:14 agoddard <eek> I ended up just installing cloudstack 'cause our iteration has some huge dependencies on provisioning 14:15 pdurbin agoddard: you like the cloudstack provisioning story? 14:15 agoddard the openstack install/configuration process was a little too 1998 for us, and the community cookbooks are in flux, so we'll probably have another crack at it later, but cloudstack install was super quick (though now I have VLAN issues with it) 14:16 agoddard pdurbin: if you go with flat networking, CS is like 10min and you have a private cloud 14:16 pdurbin cool 14:16 pdurbin oh good, my cloudstack notes are still online: http://pastie.org/3727369 14:16 agoddard technically, swapping from CS to OS to AWS *should* be simple if we're doing things right, so I'm not too worried about making the wrong decision 14:17 agoddard pdurbin: awesome, thanks for notes 14:18 pdurbin gotta run to a meeting, but are you using a cloud api abstraction? something like deltacloud? 14:24 agoddard chef/knife-CS, so I guess fog is the answer ther 14:24 agoddard e 15:45 agoddard if you're not already watching http://velocityconf.com/velocity2012/public/content/video 16:10 pdurbin agoddard: heh. would like to! too busy shuffling VMs from vmware to kvm 16:11 SEJeff pdurbin, Why the move? Do you want to move to something more open sauce or just a general frustration against vmw? 16:11 pdurbin mmm, open sauce 16:12 pdurbin we like free stuff 16:13 SEJeff me too 16:24 magoo i asked this in chef but haven't gotten a response 16:24 magoo apparently this is always true: if defined?(node[:pictures_consumer][:branch]) 16:24 magoo even if i've never set this variable, I think evaluating it defines it 16:25 magoo not sure how to say what i mean in ruby 16:28 pdurbin magoo: your boy agoddard is offline, but i'll ping him when he's back :) i'm no rubyist 16:35 magoo thanks 16:38 magoo apparently i have to say defined?(var).nil? 16:38 magoo ugh 17:04 agoddard hazzah 17:04 agoddard I don't think checking if it's defined will define it.. but if it isn't defined, the former will be false the latter will be true 17:09 agoddard oh wait, defined?(node[:crank]) => "method" 17:10 agoddard oh ya, so I think it'll return true 'cause the key is a method on the hash, so maybe you wanna do 'has_key'? 17:10 agoddard node.has_key? :crank => false 17:11 agoddard node[:crank] = 'action' => "action" 17:11 agoddard node.has_key? :crank => true 17:11 agoddard siq 17:29 agoddard any of y'all using CloudStack? :/ 17:52 SEJeff agoddard, I know one of the executives on a first name basis there 17:52 SEJeff before vmware^Wcitrix ate them 17:52 SEJeff He is still there too 17:53 agoddard SEJeff: aw nice 17:53 SEJeff Mark Hinkle. Super super cool guy 17:57 pdurbin SEJeff: yeah, he did the welcome at the cloudstack event i attended: http://pastie.org/3727369 17:57 pdurbin can't say i remember much about him though. all the presenters were good 17:58 SEJeff David Nalley is also good people 17:58 SEJeff Yeah 17:58 SEJeff I worked with him a LOT when he was @ ZenOSS 17:58 SEJeff and the now community manager @ opscode 17:58 SEJeff Matt Ray 19:09 agoddard oh ya, mrhinkle.. name rings a bell 19:10 agoddard ah ya, an email from when he cancelled his DevopsDays ticket at the last minute 19:17 pdurbin agoddard: did you organize a devops days? 19:18 agoddard ya, Austin 19:48 SEJeff Nice 19:56 pdurbin "helper for configuring approval workflow in RT" -- http://search.cpan.org/dist/RTx-WorkflowBuilder/ 20:10 pdurbin whorka: for your account request approvals 21:32 danchoi hello pdurbin! 21:36 danchoi lastlog