Time Nick Message 13:02 pdurbin so all the perl people here love perlbrew, right? http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-perlbrew/ . perl on os x snow leopard is so broken i threw it on there 13:04 pdurbin but now i guess i have to change all my shebangs from #!/usr/bin/perl to #!/usr/bin/env perl 13:06 SEJeff pdurbin, You should do that for portability anyways :) 13:06 pdurbin i guess 13:07 pdurbin SEJeff: you do #!/usr/bin/env python ? 13:10 SEJeff I do 13:10 SEJeff As some of my scripts run on Solaris, HP-UX, and / or Linux 13:10 SEJeff Then I often use virtualenv, which futzes the pythonpath stuff and $PATH locally for that virtual environment 13:11 pdurbin i feel like i've seen people write #!perl but i get "bad interpreter" 13:11 pdurbin right, i've been meaning to try virtualenv 13:12 shuff so, i hesitate to poke the bears with a stick 13:12 shuff but what problems have you all been having with the stock perl on snow leopard? 13:14 pdurbin shuff: XS modules won't build on snow leopard 13:14 shuff i cannot agree with so categorical a statement :) 13:14 shuff i build tons of xs modules on snow leopard 13:14 pdurbin with the system perl? 13:15 shuff yup 13:15 pdurbin hmm 13:15 pdurbin shuff: you use "env perl" as well, anyway? 13:16 shuff nope; #!/usr/bin/perl 13:19 shuff i have perl 5.8.8 installed via fink for testing, but i primarily use the stock perl 5.10.0 13:20 SEJeff shuff, Do you prefer fink or homebrew? I've heard people using and swearing by both 13:26 shuff fink, far and away, but i am biased 13:27 SEJeff why 13:27 * SEJeff isn't an OS X user, but likes to know these things for the occasional time he has to be 13:31 shuff honestly, the main reason is that it's what i'm used to - i know how to package software for fink, and so when i need some third-party software, that's what i reach for 13:31 shuff it leverages my existing familiarity with deb/apt 13:32 shuff and in addition a lot of the verbiage coming out of the homebrew community back when i first became aware of it really rubbed me the wrong way 13:33 pdurbin shuff: the verbiage? :) 13:33 shuff oh yeah 13:34 shuff lots and lots of "i tried to use fink/macports, but it wanted to install all this crap i didn't need" 13:34 pdurbin what, did the homebrew guys say, "hey fink and macports, you're doing it wrong!" 13:34 pdurbin well... it's truthy... 13:34 shuff i understand the idea of trying to use the native libraries as much as possible 13:34 shuff but the problem with the native libraries is that Apple can change them under your feet 13:35 pdurbin i guess. in practice, homebrew hasn't given me any trouble 13:35 shuff yet :) 13:35 pdurbin i'll let you know 13:36 shuff excellent 13:37 SEJeff Thanks for the info gents 13:38 shuff np 18:51 pdurbin heh. http://joeyh.name/languages/ascountry/python/ 19:37 shuff :) 19:39 SEJeff http://joeyh.name/languages/ascountry/ruby/ 19:42 pdurbin that's a good one too